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Project members falling into the CTS4466 subclades can improve the data on this and the Pedigrees page through EXPERT LEVEL PARTICIPATION.

Subclade CTS4466 of R1b had at one time been called South Irish and was considered a distinctly Irish haplotype. That view has shifted somewhat. Project members willing to commit financially to doing more Y testing of SNPs should join the R-CTS4466 haplogroup project.

There are three known branches of HURLEY emerging under R-CTS4466 in the project. They are in private clusters 103, 108, and 120 respectively.

• CTS4466 > S1115 > A541 > S1121 > Z16252 > Z18170 > FGC29280
• CTS4466 > S1115 > A541 > S1121 > Z16252 > A9005 > FGC29068 > BY2880 > BY43744 > FGC17180 > A2224 > FTB79755
• CTS4466 > S1115 > A541 > A1135 > A195 > A761 > A88 > BY23574 > BY208692 > BY207561

A few members cite counties Cork and Kerry as geographic paternal line origins. Most do not give details.

The third SNP lineage shown above shows a descent from A88, thought to be a key mutation among descendants of the Ui Fidgenti.

CTS4466 members are encouraged to join both the R-CTS4466+ and Munster Irish projects if they have not already done so.

SNP Calendar / Timeline

Click on those subclades marked with analysis for further detail on those Hurleys.

CTS4466 is positioned under FGC11134, and is, for the time being, its largest subclade discovered by far. CTS4466 has a dense presence in Southern Ireland, with numerous subclades appearing to emerge from that region. At the time of publication, some SNPs downstream from CTS4466 are not in ISOGG's or YFull's SNP tree or dated by YFull. Unfortunately, ISOGG is at least 2 years behind in updating long forms, which may change. There are also some difficulties aligning the data in FTDNA and in YFull. The three aforementioned subclades of interest under R-CTS4466 are lineages in the project and marked in the calendar. Compare these TMRCA dates to the emergence of surnames, starting around maybe 900 C.E. Many people acquired surnames from about then well into the first half of the second millennium.

best viewed on wide screen computer Long forms from ISOGG TMRCA Estimates from YFull The buttons show or hide SNP information. long forms snps tmrca R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2 CTS4466 310 BCE R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a S1115 260 BCE R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1 A541 75 CE R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1a S1121 180 CE R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1a2 Z16252 340 CE R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1a2a FGC29280 650 CE L analysis R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1a2. A9005 400 CE R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1a2.. FGC29068 450 CE R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1a2... BY2880 600 CE R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1a2.... BY43744 620 CE R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1a2..... FGC17180 640 CE R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1a2...... A2224 750 CE R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1a2....... FTB79755 1410 CE L R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1b A195 290 CE R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1b1 A761 unknown R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1b1a A88 380 CE R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1b1a. BY23574 520 CE R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1b1a.. BY208692 1150 CE L analysis R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1b1a... BY207095 1450 CE R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1b1a.... BY207561 1570 CE

SNP Time and Geography Map
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The locations pinned on the map are estimates, partly based on the genealogical data provided by project members, partly based on the location data at Scaled Innovation (Rob Spencer), and subject to some space limitations. Exact locations are not known. SNP formation date estimates are color coded based on Scaled Innovation.

Modal Haplotypes
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The first row of the table is an Irish Type II modal haplotype and is the REFERENCE ROW. It was borrowed from the Munster Irish Project. The remaining three rows are the modals of clusters 103, 108, and 120 in the Hurley project. They are marked to show their Genetic Distance from the reference row.

FGC29280 is explicitly shown both in the SNP calendar and on the Time and Geography map.

A2224 is shown on the SNP calendar. It is upstream from FTB79755, shown both on the SNP calendar and the Time and Geography map. The latter is a relatively recent mutation.

BY23574 is a parent SNP to BY208692; they are shown on the SNP calendar and the latter is on the Time and Geography map. BY208692 is upstream from BY207095 and BY207561, the latter two relatively recent mutations.

Each of these branches have multiple Hurley men in the project. The modals "roll them up" in to composite representations.

Table #1 Modal Haplotyped of R-CTS4466 Hurleys
relative position	1	2	3	4	5-6	7	8	9	10	11	12	13	14-15	16	17	18	19	20	21	22-25	26	27	28-29	30	31	32	33	34-35	36	37	38	39	40-41	42	43	44	45	46	47	48	49-50	51	52	53	54	55	56	57	58	59	60	61	62	63	64	65	66	67	68	69	70	71	72	73	74	75	76	77	78	79	80	81	82	83	84	85	86	87	88	89	90	91	92	93	94	95	96	97	98	99	100	101	102	103	104	105	106	107	108	109	110	111	relative position
Short Tandem Repeat Markers (STRS)	DYS393	DYS390	DYS19	DYS391	DYS385	DYS426	DYS388	DYS439	DYS389I	DYS392	DYS389II	DYS458	DYS459	DYS455	DYS454	DYS447	DYS437	DYS448	DYS449	DYS464	DYS460	Y-GATA-H4	YCAII	DYS456	DYS607	DYS576	DYS570	CDY	DYS442	DYS438	DYS531	DYS578	DYF395S1	DYS590	DYS537	DYS641	DYS472	DYF406S1	DYS511	DYS425	DYS413	DYS557	DYS594	DYS436	DYS490	DYS534	DYS450	DYS444	DYS481	DYS520	DYS446	DYS617	DYS568	DYS487	DYS572	DYS640	DYS492	DYS565	DYS710	DYS485	DYS632	DYS495	DYS540	DYS714	DYS716	DYS717	DYS505	DYS556	DYS549	DYS589	DYS522	DYS494	DYS533	DYS636	DYS575	DYS638	DYS462	DYS452	DYS445	Y-GATA-A10	DYS463	DYS441	Y-GGAAT-1B07	DYS525	DYS712	DYS593	DYS650	DYS532	DYS715	DYS504	DYS513	DYS561	DYS552	DYS726	DYS635	DYS587	DYS643	DYS497	DYS510	DYS434	DYS461	DYS435	Short Tandem Repeat Markers (STRS)
member #	Marker Speed (Mutation Rate) Color Codes: X-Slow Slow Slow-Medium Medium Fast-Medium Fast X-Fast Unknown																																																																member #
MODAL	13	24	14	10	11-15	12	12	11	13	13	29	17	9-10	11	11	24	15	19	29	15-15-17-17	11	11	19-23	15	15	18	17	36-37	13	12	11	9	15-16	8	10	10	8	10	10	12	23-23	16	10	12	12	15	8	12	22	20	13	12	11	13	11	11	12	11	35	15	9	16	12	25	26	19	12	11	13	12	11	9	13	11	10	11	11	30	12	13	24	13	10	10	21	15	19	14	24	16	12	15	24	12	24	18	10	14	18	9	12	11	MODAL
FGC29280-MOD	13	24	14	10	11-15	12	12	11	13	13	29	17	9-10	11	11	24	15	19	29	15-15-17-17	11	11	19-23	15	15	18	17	36-37	13	12	11	9	15-16	8	10	10	8	10	10	12	23-23	17	10	12	12	15	8	12	22	20	13	12	11	13	11	11	12	11	35	15	9	16	12	25	26	19	12	11	13	12	11	9	13	11	10	11	11	30	12	13	24	13	10	11	21	15	18	14	24	16	12	15	24	12	24	18	10	14	18	9	12	11	FGC29280-MOD
A2224-MOD	13	24	14	10	11-15	12	12	11	13	13	29	17	9-10	11	11	24	15	19	29	15-15-17-18	11	11	19-23	16	15	18	17	36-38	13	12	11	9	15-16	8	10	10	8	10	10	12	23-23	17	10	12	12	15	8	13	22	20	13	12	11	14	11	11	12	11	35	15	9	16	12	25	26	19	12	11	13	12	11	9	13	11	10	11	11	30	12	13	24	13	10	10	20	15	18	14	24	16	12	15	25	12	24	18	10	14	18	9	12	11	A2224-MOD
BY23574-MOD	13	24	14	10	11-15	12	12	11	13	14	29	18	9-10	11	11	24	15	19	29	15-15-17-18	11	11	19-23	15	15	18	16	36-37	13	12	11	9	15-16	8	10	10	8	10	10	12	23-23	16	10	12	12	15	8	12	22	20	13	12	11	13	11	11	12	11	35	15	9	16	12	25	26	19	12	11	13	12	11	9	12	11	10	11	11	30	12	13	24	13	10	10	21	15	19	14	25	16	12	15	24	12	24	18	10	14	18	9	12	11	BY23574-MOD
member #	Distance from Modal Color Codes: Zero One Two Three+ No-Read																																																																member #

Genetic Distances of Hurley R-CTS4466 Modals to Irish Type II Modal
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See Genetic Distance in Page Help for details. Note the remarks on the reliability of TMRCA estimation based on STR markers gradually deteriorating as we go further back in time. This would be particularly applicable to modal comparison, as opposed to comparison of individuals.

Very Tightly Related Tightly Related Related Probably Related Possibly Related Not Related

Genetic Distance Table (Experimental Calculation) 111 Markers ID MODAL FGC29280-MOD A2224-MOD BY23574-MOD MODAL 111 3 9 6 FGC29280-MOD 3 111 8 9 A2224-MOD 9 8 111 13 BY23574-MOD 6 9 13 111

TMRCA Calculations of Hurley R-CTS4466 Modals
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See Time to Most Common Recent Ancestor in Page Help for details. Note the remarks on the reliability of TMRCA estimation based on STR markers gradually deteriorating as we go further back in time. This would be particularly applicable to modal comparison, as opposed to comparison of individuals.

TMRCA Table (Experimental Calculation) ID MODAL FGC29280-MOD A2224-MOD BY23574-MOD MODAL 111 2-13 10-28 6-21 FGC29280-MOD 2-13 111 8-25 10-28 A2224-MOD 10-28 8-25 111 15-37 BY23574-MOD 6-21 10-28 15-37 111 Tightly Related Related Probably Related Possibly Related Remote

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